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"why did FEMALE orgasm evolve?!" As though it isn't a necessary, biological function, if, for no other reason, so female mammals would even consent to sexual reproduction by experiencing pleasure and, more importantly, SEEK PLEASURE to satisfy the imperative need to do so? And, while I continue ranting on the STUPIDITY of androcentricism, in which MALE experience is the ONLY IMPORTANT experience, must I remind biologists that, in the womb ALL zygotes and embryos are FEMALE, until such time as the chromosomal structure of XY, with no counteracting XX to stop it, triggers the production of so-called "male" hormones in the host mother, which cause the developing child to lose its capacity for uterus and vagina, places the gonads outside the body and, frequently, enlarges the clitoral structure into a penis? In other words, we are ALL female in our early stages of development! A much more pertinent question for these researchers would be: why are you such sexist ass hats?
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oh, hell; Jewish police patrolled the ghettos under the Nazis. Women are trained in male institutions and, in order to "succeed," must often adopt the dominant, male values. Having a woman in the research team provides "politically correct" cover, so the researchers play an end-run around my very suspicion that this research is androcentric: "well, a woman said so, so you can't accuse us of THAT!" While I completely agree with your statements about the suppression of female sexuality and the pain that causes (not just in the individual women, themselves, but to our entire, human family), I must stand by my suspicions of androcentricism. Look: they compare female orgasm to male nipples: as though the female orgasm is some vestige, no longer necessary and something we could really do without, like the appendix. Male breasts can be developed to produce milk It requires a lot of stimulation and it helps if the particular male in question has a relatively-low ratio of male-to-female hormones, but men CAN NURSE.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wi"why did FEMALE orgasm evolve?!" As though it isn't a necessary, biological function, if, for no other reason, so female mammals would even consent to sexual reproduction by experiencing pleasure and, more importantly, SEEK PLEASURE to satisfy the imperative need to do so? And, while I continue ranting on the STUPIDITY of androcentricism, in which MALE experience is the ONLY IMPORTANT experience, must I remind biologists that, in the womb ALL zygotes and embryos are FEMALE, until such time as the chromosomal structure of XY, with no counteracting XX to stop it, triggers the production of so-called "male" hormones in the host mother, which cause the developing child to lose its capacity for uterus and vagina, places the gonads outside the body and, frequently, enlarges the clitoral structure into a penis? In other words, we are ALL female in our early stages of development! A much more pertinent question for these researchers would be: why are you such sexist ass hats?
reply in discussion on Facebook:
oh, hell; Jewish police patrolled the ghettos under the Nazis. Women are trained in male institutions and, in order to "succeed," must often adopt the dominant, male values. Having a woman in the research team provides "politically correct" cover, so the researchers play an end-run around my very suspicion that this research is androcentric: "well, a woman said so, so you can't accuse us of THAT!" While I completely agree with your statements about the suppression of female sexuality and the pain that causes (not just in the individual women, themselves, but to our entire, human family), I must stand by my suspicions of androcentricism. Look: they compare female orgasm to male nipples: as though the female orgasm is some vestige, no longer necessary and something we could really do without, like the appendix. Male breasts can be developed to produce milk It requires a lot of stimulation and it helps if the particular male in question has a relatively-low ratio of male-to-female hormones, but men CAN NURSE.
In typical fetal development, the presence of the SRY gene causes the fetal gonads to become testes; the absence of it allows the gonads to continue to develop into ovaries. Thereafter, the development of the internal reproductive organs and the external genitalia is determined by hormones produced by fetal gonads (ovaries or testes) and the cells' response to them. /quote Some argue that the zygote/embryo is genderless; many more argue that it is female before the hormones kick in.
I meant it is rather insinuated by the comparison to male nipples. I don't think it's either/or, either. I want more research done into mammalian, female sexuality, period: Does a great ape have a clitoris? Do other mammals? I know chickens seem to have something very similar to what roosters have...can't think of the name right now; starts with "C." in both sexes. I also want a LOT more research into human gender variations; there are way more genders than 2, and the others get scant research, only "gender modification" treatments like surgeries and hormone therapies, so they'll look more "normal," like one gender or the other. I think the entire academy -- not just this field of research -- needs to be captured by women and other genders besides male, people of color, people with disabilities and the economically exploited, before we'll EVER be able to do thorough research on issues like these. As to your statement that I should have been a scientist, remember my disabilities and my gender, which assured the institutions of learning would discourage me from being an academic success. I probably would have been a decent lawyer or journalist, as well: I champion truth, logic and rational explanations and am endlessly curious about damn near everything. So, I will leave you with a quote from the 1994 version of the film, "Little Women:"
Jo March: I find it poor logic to say that because women are good, women should vote. Men do not vote because they are good; they vote because they are male, and women should vote, not because we are angels and men are animals, but because we are human beings and citizens of this country.
Mr. Mayer: You should have been a lawyer, Miss March.
Jo March: I should have been a great many things, Mr. Mayer.
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A few weeks after fertilization, the initial appearance of the human fetal genitalia is basically feminine: a pair of "urogenital folds" with a small protuberance in the middle, and the urethra behind the protuberance.
More research on solving the mystery of the female orgasm
Summary of story from New Scientist, September 9, 2011Evolutionary biologists are still stuck on this one – why did the female orgasm evolve? Did it come about to give a reproductive boost to women or is it, perhaps, a by-product of the evolution of the male orgasm?
Some evolutionary biologists think that the female orgasm is adaptive and possibly influences mate choice, strengthens pair bonds or indirectly helps to suck sperm into the uterus.
Others argue that women have orgasms for the same reason that men have nipples – being highly adaptive in one sex, the traits tag along for the ride in the other.
Researchers Brendan Zietsch at the University of Queensland, Australia, and Pekka Santtila at Abo Akademi University in Turku, Finland, quizzed just under 5,000 sets of identical and non-identical sets of twins and pairs of siblings on their sexual habits.
The questionnaire asked about the time to orgasm in men and the frequency and ease of orgasm in women.
In keeping with previous findings, it was found that same-sex identical twins had more orgasmic similarity than same-sex non-identical twins and siblings, showing that genes do play a role in orgasmic function.
Contrary to the expectations of the by-product scenario, the two researchers found that opposite-sex twins and siblings had virtually no correlation in “orgasmability”.
“This indicates that the genes that influence orgasmic function in men are not the same as those in women,” says Zietsch.
In other words, male and female orgasm evolved through different genetic routes, and the by-product hypothesis is incorrect.
Those who favour the by-product hypothesis think such a firm conclusion is premature.
Kim Wallen at Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia, points out that the study measured different things in men and women – timing to orgasm versus likelihood of orgasm – and so a correlation would be unlikely.
Zietsch counters that different measures were necessary because of the different nature of male and female orgasm.
The mystery continues…
